U.S. Election Season - anybody game?
  • YellowRoseYellowRose September 2012
    I am starting this not to infuriate anyone of differing opinions, but to open a dialogue about U.S. politics because I feel it is relevant. This is a Roger Waters message board and many of his devoted fans know his position on these things. That is not to say that I feel the way I do about my political beliefs because of the way Roger does, only that it is a relevant topic to many true fans who have gotten his message or already agreed with these things before. As a U.S. citizen, I will be voting soon. I voted for Obama in 2008 and plan to again. There are some I know here who will feel I am wrong and that is fine.

    Feel free to comment on my links, choose not to read them, slam my opinions or praise them. I think healthy discussion without getting angry at people is a good way to open our minds to the way others think without necessarily having to convert to them. I write on here because I am a long time Roger Waters fan and I enjoy writing. I don't use fb much if at all, so this is a nice outlet to share with people for me.

    It seems most people stay away from these kinds of topics, unless they are of the differing viewpoint than myself. It would be nice to see more people who want a serious dialogue on this. So let me concede right away that I am not trying to tell you how to vote. Think what you will. I don't think Obama has been correct on all of his policies. Especially his continuation and increase of the use of drones for war that isn't being called war. But I look at the alternative and I make a decision.

    What do people think of the recent decision of the Republicans to vote down the "G.I. Jobs Bill"?
    http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/ad-lib/2012/sep/23/republicans-turn-their-backs-veterans-vote-down-jo/

    Also, what do people think of Mitt Romney's rapid changing positions such as:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/25/mitt-romney-tax-returns-2011_n_1913754.html



    For all of you paranoids in the audience:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/16/world/asia/bain-capital-tied-to-surveillance-push-in-china.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www


  • YellowRoseYellowRose September 2012
    I'm sure most have heard about the leaked campaign fundraiser tape where Romney is telling his donors that:

    "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no
    matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are
    dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who
    believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who
    believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to
    you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give
    it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These
    are people who pay no income tax."

    Watch it on video here:
    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser

    Well let's talk about who doesn't pay income tax? Well it's the elderly, the disabled, families with disabled children, and those who don't earn top income bracket levels of money. They pay a higher percentage though through payroll taxes, sales tax, and others.:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/18/who-doesnt-pay-taxes-in-charts/

    But Romney's suddenly such a nice guy now, so I guess it's all o.k.:





  • YellowRoseYellowRose September 2012
    Romney Ad on Obama's so called War on Coal:



    It's just too bad that the people who worked at that particular coal plant weren't paid to be in Romney's ad and their pay was docked for the day.

    http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/08/coal_miners_lost_pay_when_mitt.html
  • YellowRoseYellowRose September 2012
    Also, Roger if you're out there feel free to comment!
  • YellowRoseYellowRose September 2012
    Mitt Romney has repeatedly said he will repeal "Obamacare", but here he is discussing his plan that works in Massachusetts after which the Obama administrations plan is based upon:



    He recently said Americans can go to the Emergency Room if they get sick, claiming this is what we have in place for those who are uninsured. Problem with that is his plan in Massachusetts was put there because he said he was tired of people using the ER and getting a free ride when they were sick:

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/democrats-pounce-on-romney-over-uninsured-er-care/
  • YellowRoseYellowRose September 2012
    Obama defending tire tariffs which Mitt Romney criticized in his book "No Apology".



    But now, Romney is saying he'll be tough on China?!


  • YellowRoseYellowRose September 2012
    And...they're off!
  • YellowRoseYellowRose September 2012
    Exposed before your peers!


  • YellowRoseYellowRose September 2012
    Romney tried to explain his 47% leaked video by saying he didn't state it "elegantly". If you haven't already, let Stephen Colbert explain things more "elegantly":


    http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/419186/september-18-2012/mitt-romney-s-secret-video

  • YellowRoseYellowRose September 2012
    Jimmy Kimmel's version...man the comedians are gonna have a field day with this guy!


  • SkyBlueHopeSkyBlueHope September 2012
    That's alot to watch, and what MSNBC is for, lol. Thanks for all the sharing yellow!! xxxx voting's already started in a bunch of states, triage time meaning all the campaign funders start to withdraw their funding from the losing "horses".
  • PatrickinHoustonPatrickinHouston September 2012

    Obama's "so called" war on coal? One of Obama's stated goals in 2008 was to bankrupt the coal industry, and he is using the EPA to do just that.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/obama_war_on_coal_zVrf0OxP4RcUfmymSsDcOJ

    In other energy news, why did Obama impose a drilling moratorium for the US gulf of Mexico and then hand Brazil billions for even deeper water drilling?

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704353504575596251823806386.html

    And here's yet another fine example of obama's energy policies gone bust.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/08/solar-energy-company-touted-by-obama-goes-bankrupt/

  • kellycampbell September 2012
    Yellow why did you name this thread "The  election season"?   I mean come on girl say it like it is...you should have named it I love Obama and he can do no wrong, or I hate Romney.....Obama is as big a liar as any politician in our history and why people refuse to admit it is beyond me.  At least I can honestly say I realize the faults and things Romney does wrong...You liberals are amazing because you deny  any proof of cover ups and lies.
  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    Patrick, many of our coal mines are already tapped out and now the coal companies want to use mountain top removal as a way of getting every last bit of coal. This is a dangerous technique and highly damaging to the environment:

    http://mountainjustice.org/facts/steps.php

    Also, I read the article you posted about the Brazilian oil drilling. However, I think they left out a few important points. We just had one of the worst oil spills in the gulf so I think it's right to halt drilling until we are assured that it's safe. Oil companies will drill where it is most profitable anyway regardless of what our government wants. The billions of dollars you speak of as if Obama is giving this money to Brazil is actual private bank loans to Brazil by a bank that only loans money to foreign countries. Forbes did an informative article on this you might want to read:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/03/23/as-us-oil-rigs-leave-for-brazil-permits-and-prices-only-factor/

    Kelly, I named the thread "Election Season" because that's what it is. I have been posting my liberal side of the coin on here and as I said in the opening if anyone wants to talk the other side of the coin I'm game. To say that liberals deny proof and cover up lies is amazing. Amazingly hilarious considering Fox News puts up people they title "expert on foreign affairs" without disclosing that this individual works for the Romney campaign. At least on MSNBC when an Obama spokesperson or campaign worker is on there they make sure the viewer knows who's opinion they are hearing.
  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    Anne Romney said in an interview her biggest concern if Mitt gets elected is his "mental well being"?! WTF?!

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57522815/ann-romney-if-elected-mental-well-being-mitts-biggest-challenge/
  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    Patrick, this isn't the first time you've brought up solar panels in the course of our political discussions. Are you suggesting that solar energy or green energy isn't worth investing in? Are you suggesting we should stick with oil and coal at all costs to the environment even though that is not where the future lies?

    I know you live in Texas so there are a lot of jobs at stake in your state if alternative energy were to replace oil. Coal and oil are not the future of energy. Obviously the company Solyndra failing is a problem. Green energy is a direction we need to go and it is going to take time. There will be companies that fail. There are also success stories from Obama's stimulus bill which I'm sure Rush Limbaugh won't ever mention:
     
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/29/1137996/-A-hidden-Obama-success-story-weatherization-and-energy-efficiency


  • YellowRose, I don't remember ever saying anything about solar panels...I could be wrong, refresh my memory. I know people that use their own solar panels and windmills, when they prodce more energy then you use, it returns up the line and they receive a check instead of a bill from the power company. I don't have a problem with green energy, but it has to be a viable product, not an end all be all forced agenda. Coal and oil are by no means played out, it's government restrictions that make it appear that way.

    I'm happy to see you called it "obama's stimulus bill" instead of trying to blame it on Bush. What were the success stories? The "shovel ready jobs" that omama himself admitted didn't work? The falling dollar? The more money they print, the less the dollar is worth...not really debatable.

  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    I will have to look in past posts to find the specific instance, I don't have time right now. Maybe I was remembering wrong, if so sorry for that. I believe the reason people are getting cuts on their electric bill for using solar/wind energy is that it is an incentive to get more people to start using the technology. You have to pay into the solar/wind energy program in most areas as far as I know. Then you get a discount on your regular power bill. Over time, the more people that sign up for this, the lower the cost for everyone will be. You can't turn this energy problem around over night. It is going to cost something as an investment into the future. There are far too many special interest groups who see it fit to try and keep alternative energy down.

    It's been done already starting with the electric car:
    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/who-killed-the-electric-car/

    So I believe green energy, long-term, is a viable product. I'm not sure, but if by forced agenda you mean the companies who wish to keep green energy down to keep maximizing their own profits will be unhappy, then I would have to disagree. Let them be forced I say. But then you know what they call people like me so....anyway

    As for the falling dollar, it appears to me that by creating a housing bubble, then selling off the bad mortgages through the casino like deals going on in Wall Street, the bankers themselves have done a great job at destroying the value of the dollar. It benefits them well if you think about it. Not only did they get the bailout money, but they also got to make a land-grab in the process of it all. The dollar has been falling for a long time. I agree that the FED is messed up, but that's another two paragraphs, so another time on that.

    The real issue right now for me as a person who has a rational mind as I like to think most people do.is this When even the right wing pundits are turning on the Republican candidate you know it's bad. The Romney/Ryan plan is still a big secret. Why do they continue not to want to discuss the details of this plan? It appears according to economic analysts that the plan will basically do the following:

    -Cut everyone's taxes by 20%. That will mean trillions of dollars in taxes for the top earners in this country compared with a drop in the bucket from the middle class. When asked how to cover the cost to the federal budget, their answer is to "close loopholes". They won't say which loopholes their closing and economists are saying the only way in the world a plan like this can work is if you cut out things like home owner deductions, healthcare insurance payroll deductions, lowering the allowed deduction for dependents, etc.

    This does not sound like a good plan to me. Besides, and by the way kellycampbell, I never said I love Obama and he can do no wrong. If you read my last three sentences of my first post on this thread than you will see that I do not agree with all of his policies. I kind of think the comedian Lewis Black was right when he did this bit:


  • Trillions in tax cuts? I don't think so.

     

  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    $5 Trillion to be more specific. I know Paul Ryan said in a recent interview it would be "revenue neutral", but he won't give any specifics, so at the moment here is what is known:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/joshbarro/2012/02/22/quick-thoughts-on-the-romney-tax-plan/
  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    Also, Patrick, let me say this. I don't see how anyone these days who believes that freedom of religion means any religion or indeed no religion can vote Republican. The party has been aligning itself with sick hate preaching televangelists like Pat Robertson for too long. There are a lot of things they want to legislate based on the Bible such as gay rights, and overturning Roe V. Wade. I don't mind people having their opinions on these controversial issues, and we can talk the ins and outs of those two subjects for days on end. My point is, even if I don't think abortion is a good thing, I also don't think back alley abortion is a good thing. The right wingers preach about ridiculous things such as teaching abstinence only in schools, restricting the use of birth control, doing away with abortion, while at the same time wanting to cut benefits and food stamps for struggling single mothers?...WTF?...So what then should we have women do? Back alley abortions, live on the street with their starving children, or perhaps the next idea will be forced sterilization which I doubt the religious folks will go along with.

    I don't want politicians legislating based on religious dogma. There are also lessons in the Bible which say if my husband dies I should become the property of his brother. Should we make that a law too? These people are scary to those who don't want to end up in a Theocracy.

    They are not going to be able to appeal to swing voters or convert any younger Democrats to their party if they continue to try and pander to the Evangelicals. It didn't work for McCain when he chose Palin, and it's not going to work for Romney either.
  • I'm so far behind here, I'm not sure where to start.

    Electric Cars

    Nobody is buying them. Chevy suspended production of the Volt due to lack of interest.

    An electric car is very expensive to insure because if one of these glorified golf carts is in an accident and the battery comparment is breached, the car is totaled. Also, if the battery is cracked, it becomes a hazmat situation. At least that means more work for the EPA.

    When the batteries wear out, and they will, forget about going to the auto parts store and buying a new battery for $120.00+/-, it's back to the dealer and 4-6 thousand dollars for replacements.

    Electric cars limit your mobility, thus your freedom.

     

    Tax Cuts

    Five trillion dollars is over ten years. That's 500 billion per year which= one month of obama style spending.

    Any time that anybody suggests getting a handle on spending, the dems start screeching and squalling about starving children, killing old people, and forcing the poor out on to the streets...it's really pathetic. I think something like 73% of the money alocated to the welfare program is sopped up by administrative overhead. Is that your idea of a well functioning system?

     

    Morality/Religion in Politics

    As I have stated before, you can't legislate morality. It hasn't worked in the "war on drugs", and it won't work on Roe V Wade. That being said I personally don't believe abortions or birth control should be federally funded.

    As for the rest of your right wing extremist religious hysteria, I haven't heard anything to that effect concerning this election, but that never stops the leftys from banging that drum...just part of the playbook I guess.

     

  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    So Romney "won" the 1st debate?!! He lied his way through it and no one, including the President called him out on it. Lehrer was too old, too soft, and too weak to be running the debate. The questions were too general and Obama appeared to be on dramamine. Ugh...
  • Al Gore blamed the high altitude for obama's poor showing. Hahahahahahahaha!

    http://www.examiner.com/article/al-gore-blames-obama-s-poor-debate-performance-on-denver-s-high-altitude

  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    I know, that is pretty funny. I liked what Bill Maher said about it being Obama's anniversary and he probably had to have sex with Michelle before the debate so then he was totally spent. Oh yeah and Maher also recommended the President not smoke so much weed before the next debate! I suspect he was just in awe of how many flip flops Romney was doing and he wasn't prepared to deal with it. Although considering Romney's record of doing this the President should've been ready for anything.
  • Indeed, given obama's history of drug use, there's no telling what he was on.

    Obama wasn't ready to debate because the press has been serving up cream puff questions to him for the last four years, and his good friend the teleprompter can't answer questions for him.

    I've heard about a new drinking game (I never play drinking games), where everybody takes a drink everytime obama says "uh", everybody is slobbering drunk in 2-3 minutes.

  • SkyBlueHopeSkyBlueHope October 2012
    I think he thought Romney doing so bad he didn't need to "testify" in his own defense, and when Romney sounded good to new ppl watching that don't know how he completely lied to seem more liberal, Obama was caught off guard and had to say something but just didn't know what, apparently
  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    I think Obama should have been practicing different tactics depending upon which Mitt he would be encountering. He thought Mitt would be saying the positions he has been taking on the campaign trail for the last few months and instead Mitt did a 180. I like this website Robo-Romney. Just click on whether you want to hear his liberal, moderate, or conservative view on any given subject and he'll agree with you:

    http://www.roboromney.com/
  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    Republican Senator, former Vietnam Veteran endorses Obama. Says that: "Let's be clear, Romney and Ryan would be disastrous for America's service members, veterans and military families."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-pressler/larry-pressler-obama_b_1948415.html
  • So you found a RINO for obama, hat's off to you...and you didn't have to go to Kenya to find it.

    The Huffington Post? Really?

  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    You're right Patrick, you never did say Mitt was your man, sorry to put words in your mouth. You do seem to be making the right/Republican arguments though.

    And yes, Huffington Post. I look at mainstream news too like CNN, ABC, NBC, etc, (anything but the propaganda machine called FOX). I look at left leaning media because I am not going to hear about these kinds of stories anywhere else:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/scott-desjarlais-abortion-pro-life_n_1953136.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/david-siegel-email_n_1951801.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
  • "Stories" is a good discription for the material you are likely to get from CNN and The Huffington Post.

    I have stated that I am staunchly conservative, something that many republicans are sadly lacking.

    Repeat the first 3 words of your post (You're right Patrick) several times a day, and you might begin to see the light. : )

  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    I hope when you say "stories" you mean transmission of facts about things that are actually happening in the world. Yes there are commentary shows on cable, yes there are opinion columns of Huffington Post. What media outlet doesn't have that? Since you know so much why don't you give me some recommendations on that? I know, CNN asks the tough questions don't they?

    It is hard to find media that doesn't put spin on things or ask the tough questions. The trick is to listen to the spin that both sides are spinning so you get the full perspective. I just learned that Jason Chaffetz, who is pushing the investigation into the administration's handling of Libya was among the Republicans who voted to cut funding to our embassies. Hillary Clinton stated a warning to these Republicans about it being a threat to security, but I don't want to bore you with "Stories".

    Now I see the spin you want to use to get me to repeat that you're always right, but that would be what Orwell referred to as "doublethink". You staunch conservatives sure have learned how to do "doublespeak", "doublethink", and 2+2=5 well. That's the problem with being "staunch" anything. If a Republican ran that I thought had good ideas and I thought the Democrats were fu*king up, I would consider voting Republican. If they're "platform" made one bit of sense I would consider it. But that's the real difference betweeen liberals and conservatives. I am open minded enough to be able to admit if I am wrong, or listen to the other sides ideas without simply dismissing them as idiots. 
  • Lighten up YR, I was joking..it was a pun (you're right Patrick).

    Personally, I put very little stock in the daily drek the media tries to spoon feed us (I have stated this before). I consider "media" part of the problem, I think to some extent you do too.

    I openly and honestly proclaim to be a "staunch conservative", you have (in other topics) proclaimed yourself as a "progressive liberal". Now if you are triying to potray yourself as an openminded, "checks and balances" type of centrist, give me a break.

    If you want to blame the attacks on US embassies on republicans, or anybody besides obama and his people, well I can't find the words to discribe how ridiculous that is. The movie trailer that was posted on youtube in June had nothing to do with the attack and senseless murders  of our people, but that didn't stop obama from going to the UN and kissing muslim ass, did it?

    YR, are we ok? i enjoy our discussions-bebates-knock down drag outs...whatever you want to call it. You and I can continue our "point/counterpoint" until the 2016 elections if you want, we may even have one of those "Holy Crap" monents along the way, I just want to make sure we don't burn bridges along the way.

     

  • SkyBlueHopeSkyBlueHope October 2012
    Hark, did someone say "lighten"??? Www.flashlight.org :D
  • kellycampbell October 2012
    After reading these posts, i would say a couple of things...one Yellow how did you like Obama getting his hat handed to him??  And if you are too young to get  the phrase it means his ass was kicked..in the first debate.....no matter what excuses you make it is the truth, even msnbc was pissed at obama.. Number two I am glad my daughter is not as liberal and distorted in her thinking.  Yellow..we love you but you are on the losing side of the political debate.  I wonder when oblama loses who will he blame??  Will he throw Joe Biden under the bus??  I hope so it is only fitting cnosidering how unprofessional Joe was in his b=debate.
  • Lol Sky, I wish I would have thought of that.
  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    Patrick, of course we're cool. The Libyan embassy attack argument is one that I think everyone needs to wait and see what happens. The administration is still doing an investigation on the matter and the republicans are wanting to investigate the investigation already?...By the way, let's not forget the investigation into 9/11 where Bush/Cheney decided they needed to meet together and in secret for the 9/11 commission. Anyone who questioned the veracity of the 9/11 investigation was branded unpatriotic even though there were many questionable things. I know people want to make political meat out of the Libya investigation, but I think the victims families are correct to say that politicians shouldn't try to make it an issue for their campaigns.

    Kellycampbell, nice to see you on here again. I know that Obama lost the first debate. What's interesting is that even though Romney lied and spun his way through it, and Obama look like he was going to fall asleep, even the liberal pundits were willing to admit he screwed that up. A stark contrast to the FOX pundits response to Ryan getting his ass handed to him by Biden. When their guy lost his debate, instead of admitting it like the liberal media did for Obama's debate, they keep saying a bunch of stuff about Biden being so mean and laughing too much. So it's unprofessional for Joe Biden to tell it like it is, even if he was aggressive during the debate? But it's not unprofessional for Romney to smirk, lie, interrupt and push the moderator around during his debate? If you think so, that is a double standard. I wasn't going to bring up words like "distorted", but since you want to, I'll tell you that the horseshit that comes out of Romeny and Ryan's mouth is majorly distorted. If I were Biden, I would have been laughing at the constant stream of bat-shit-insanity I was hearing too.

    As for who to blame if Obama loses, I will blame the American people for being fooled into believing anything this flip-flopper Mitt Romney has to say. I don't hear anyone refuting that Mitt Romney has been flip-flopping and lying. I hear attacks on Obama constantly, and talking points on debate "style". We can go back and forth on fluff and accusations. Here's what it really boils down to though:

    When it comes to the facts (which I know are now considered relative in Romneyland), pundits from every political spectrum are having a hard time with Romney's tax cuts he is proposing. There are only two ways that can turn out: either a massive increase in the deficit or with middle class deduction eliminations that would result in an effective tax increase for the middle class. That doesn't even take into account the $2 trillion in defense spending increases he's proposing. Obama has added net jobs, the deficit has come down by over $200 billion in the last two years (as it historically almost always does under Democrats), he ended the war in Iraq, and got Osama Bin Landen.

    Can anyone who is planning to vote Romney tell me what exactly what it is that he is going to do to make this country better? Do you really know what to expect from someone who changes positions his like he changes his magic underwear? He says he'll overturn Obamacare and replace it with Romneycare? He said he was pro-choice when he was governor of Massachusetts, now he says he'll appoint judges to overturn Roe vs. Wade (even though Ryan said in his debate he doesn't want judges to decide these things?!)....I could go on and on. My point is, let's talk about the hard facts instead of playing the blame game.
  • reg_waters_7569 October 2012
    first the Ryan video is a joke when he claims he dont have "time" to explain thats bullshit at best its he dont think anyone will understand his pile of bullshit ....like I have said many many times neither party is telling you what there going do just what other guy has done wrong Ryans budget cut of the VA Hospital is just so wrong but damm sure the romney/ ryan ticket will raise defense spending  Ryan will allow his religion to make his votes and Biden will not but I know both side have made errors my biggest bitch is the utter lies and spewing of bullshit the repubs follow roves ideas of not answering things only blaming other party honestly my thoughts are simple what one is the lesser evil and thats a easy one to figure out
  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    Agree with you on most everything reg_waters_7569

    Here's a disgusting example of how phony Ryan is too:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-wash-dishes-2012-10

    So glad to see Obama mop the floor with Romney last night. He finally figured out to not let himself get distracted with Romney being all over the map as usual. I found it interesting that last night Romney said he would not cut taxes for the wealthy. What happened to his across the board 20% cut? And where did this random number of $25,000 come from with Romney? He may "bounce" numbers off his business buddies in a board room meeting, but that's not how we are going to get the economy going. It's ridiculous to trust that man. Finally got caught in the lie that the right wing spin machine has been raging about since Ryan lost his debate. Obama was strong on women's issues, immigration, calling out Romney on mis-statements, pointing out how Romney was against tax penalties for companies shipping jobs overseas, and so much more than I can get into at the moment.







  • SkyBlueHopeSkyBlueHope October 2012
    "Romnesia"
  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    Romensia is contagious remeber, and if you come down with it, it is covered under Obamacare as a pre-existing condition!

    The latest Obama ad exposing Romney's constant shifting of position on abortion/contraception puts things into to perspective. Romney put out an ad saying all those things people are saying about him being all right wing and extreme about abortion just aren't true. It actually shows a woman googling "Mitt Romney Abortion Position" then looking at this official website. I'm sure that's all that will turn up if they google that (yeah right)! But here is the Obama ad in response:



    Also, hilarious is the Bill Maher clip from the other night:




  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    Another reason to vote Democrat! It's so hypocritical of the southern states that are so staunchly conservative to claim they want "small government". Out of all the states that voted Republican in the last three elections, all but one gets more money back from the federal government than it pays in taxes. For most states that voted Democrat,the opposite is true. So if anyone are the moochers it's the red states.

    Then they act like the poor, elderly, and disabled are the moochers in this country. They believe that "government handouts" cause dependency. The blue states do give far more "handouts", or money allocated to social programs than the red states. They also have populations that are healthier and wealthier than those who live in red states.

    The four states with the highest poverty levels are: Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama.
    The five with the lowest are: New Jersey, New Hampshire, Vermont, Minnesota, and Hawaii

    The numbers on infant mortality, teen pregnancy, obesity, and life expectancy break down similarly. Not only all of this, but if you look at the longterm picture here, you will find that all of this still ties back to the fact that Virginia was settled by the wealthier who wanted to maintain the same types of class divisions they had in Europe. This ideal continued into the Civil War, and that is essentially the battle we are still fighting!

    http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/magazine/108185/blue-states-are-scandinavia-red-states-are-guatemala?page=0,0

  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    Regarding tonight's debate, I think Obama needs to make sure he puts Romney on the defensive. He needs to point out that Romney's foreign policy advisors are some of the same who were in the Bush administration. These include Condolezza Rice, Jon Bolton (UN ambassador who was appointed by Bush under emergency powers because the dems wouldn't have him since he had extreme positions on the UN), and Dan Senoir (you might remember him as the artchitect of the WMD narrative on the Iraq war). Hopefully Mitt will stick his foot in his mouth a couple more times. I also hope the President will bring up Mitt's disastrous overseas visits with foreign leaders recently. As Obama pointed out not too long ago, Gov. Romney has a tendency to shoot before he aims. That is not the kind of Commander in Chief I want in the white house surrounded by Bush's cronies.

    On a lighter note, if Mitt Romney wins the election he is going to have on helluva busy first day:

    http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/420362/october-18-2012/mitt-s-first-day
  • SkyBlueHopeSkyBlueHope October 2012
    I actually like Condoleezza rice, that'd be a Republican I might vote for. And colin powell. And about the latest terror attack, could've happened on anybody's watch just like 9-11 happened on gw bush watch.

    And what Obama needs to do tonight is to turn the tables on Romney and stun him with his own "romnesia" tactics, so everybody be like, wtf?? and it seem like something new and "changing" for next 4 yes to come and not repeating the same rehearsed stuff from last two debates .clearly, not "winning" :D
  • SkyBlueHopeSkyBlueHope October 2012
    He just cant be TOO safe, Obama. If it were a poker hand he'd have a king and an ace, now he just has to know how to play them even risking an "all in"
  • I can't speak for  Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama, but Texas has been overrun by millions of illegal aliens, and with Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and El Paso all being sanctuary cities...well, there's your poverty.

    Hospitals on the border (not just Texas, all border states) are closing in unbelievable numbers thanks to "anchor babies". Hey, come on in! Not only will we pay for you to have your baby, we'll automaticly make you a citizen as well.

  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    Regarding last nights deabte: to Gov. Romney: Ha ha charade you are!!

    Mitt basically agreed with the President on the foreign policies that Obama is already engaging in and had virtually nothing of his own policy to offer up. He did however mention that "Syria is Iran's path the sea"
    , I guess he did not realize Iran has its own coastline and shares no borders with Syria. I think there were many conservatives out there who despite their best efforts to see Mitt Romney in a positive light, may be wondering why he shifted to the middle on most issues and completely reversed his position on a timeline for pulling out of Afghanistan. One thing I am surprised that is not being discussed in the media much is Gov. Romney's statement that:
    I'd make sure that Ahmadinejad is indicted under the Genocide
    Convention. His words amount to genocide incitation. I would indict him
    for it.”

    I wonder if he realized that the law he is speaking of indicting him under doesn't cover threats, only actions. Also, is this a hint that we are going to go in and take out Ahmadinejad if Mitt becomes president? I seem to remember a John McCain singing a song about bombing Iran in the last election. I don't think the American people were down with that idea then and I don't think they are now.

    I do wish the moderator had made Obama answer a question or two regarding drone use. I also was unsatisfied that both candidates pivoted away from one of the questions and started babbling about domestic policy for too long. I had been hoping Obama would finally talk about a two state solution in Israel, it hasn't been talked about in a long time. I thought Obama missed a couple of opportunities. He could have mentioned that 17 out of 24 of Romney's advisers are former Bush administration and/or advisers. He should have pointed out in response to some of Mitt's comments, that Congressmen Ryan voted for the sequester, against funding for our embassies, and against the G.I. Jobs Bill.

    A clear win for President Obama. Romney made a lot of word salad, looked weak, nervous, an un-presidential. He didn't have much to offer in the way of specifics for how his foreign policy would be different from Obama's, except as I said a possible strong signal that he may declare war on Iran.

    The funniest moment was when Obama really burned Romney on his military budget:




  • YellowRoseYellowRose October 2012
    Patrick, in response to your comments on illegal immigrants, are you aware Mitt Romney told Univision that for good students he would "staple a green card to their diplomas". He also told them during that interview that he would not round up and deport 12 million illegal immigrants. In 2007, he said he would provide a path to citizenship, then in the primary this year he switched it up. I'm not really sure where this guy stands on that issue or any issue for that matter:


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